Ferguson Opinion

Whew boy, I stayed out of this one for a while, and I still don’t think I have enough evidence to cement a solid position, buuuuut here goes.
  I’m going to say what I think about the situation given what I’ve learned so far. 

Right now I can’t really fall on one side or another, but I can gather this.

Micheal Brown did at least shoplift, and the security footage of him shoving the clerk made it robbery.  Does that justify shooting him?  No.  Additionally, he was clearly no child, in fact being over 18 he was legally (and physically) an adult.  In fact he was bigger than I am and I’m by no means a small person (6’2” 250lb here).  Does that alone justify shooting him?  No, if it did, we’d have police gunning down body builders and tall people all day long.

Did he assault an officer?  I don’t know.  The reports of the officer’s injuries circulating on the Internet aren’t confirmed, and likely won’t be until a full review and possibly a trial are completed.

Here’s what we can gather based on the information available about the actual shooting.  Micheal Brown was struck by 6 rounds, one of which was in the top of the head.  This sounds excessive, but police shootings often do involve quite a few shots.  Police are trained to shoot to stop, and this means, continuing to fire until the attacker goes down.  As bullet wounds are rarely instantly fatal, and a gun can be fired multiple times in a second, especially by someone with the proper training, it’s very easy to dump quite a few rounds into someone before the attack ceases.  That is one possibility.  A shot in the top of the head could be the result of Brown being shot while already on the ground, or it could be the result of being shot while charging someone.  Either is possible.  The direction of the shots would tell us more, but that information doesn’t appear to be released.  Bullets, and especially hollow points leave distinctly different entry and exit wounds.  It would clear up a lot if we knew whether he was struck head on or in the back.  As you can see the facts are still muddy, so I’m not really willing to condemn either party at this point. 

Here’s where my opinion enters the picture.  Brown did not have a weapon drawn.  While a civilian under attack by a larger and stronger individual could be justified in shooting due to disparity of force, police are held to a higher standard than that, which is the use of force continuum.  The officer is typically to go one step above the force they are faced with.  That means when dealing with an unarmed attacker, they’re to use less than lethal methods first before resorting to shooting.  This can be pepper spray, baton, or taser.  In this case, if the officer was under attack, unless he was pinned, and Brown was going to attempt to take his gun, a taser would have been a more appropriate response.

Why did the officer jump immediately to deadly force?  I don’t think it’s so villainous as people make it out to be.  I don’t think he got out of bed that morning saying “today I will hunt the most dangerous game of all, man.”  Here are a few possibilities.  The officer made a bad call under stress.  This happens to every human being at some point, and yes, if someone can’t make good snap judgments under stress, then they probably should be in another line of work.  The officer was poorly trained in the use of force, which is an issue for the entire department to deal with.  The officer simply did not care about the use of force continuum, and callously chose to escalate to deadly force immediately (which I think is the conclusion a lot of people are jumping to, and I won’t say it’s not possible).  The officer mistakenly believed Brown had a weapon (this happens a lot too.  Poor lighting and other conditions can cause errors in perception, leading to making a bad call about whether someone is armed).  Brown legitimately had the officer in a situation where his life was in immediate danger, such as pinning him and reaching for his weapon.

Ultimately I can’t say what happened any more than anyone else, and until there’s been a full review including all eye witness statements, and autopsy and medical reports, there isn’t enough evidence about the shooting its self.  A camera on the scene really would have helped to avoid this whole mess.

Now let’s talk about the popular response.  The officer in question was suspended with pay after the incident.  This has a lot of people angry, but what they need to understand is that this is normal procedure while a police shooting is investigated.  This happens every time a LEO shoots someone.  They’re suspended with pay while the incident is reviewed.  If ruled a good shoot, then they return to the force.  Otherwise it can go to trial.  The incident is still under review, so the response right now is excessive.  If it’s ruled a good shoot and evidence suggests otherwise, THEN there’s something to be angry about.

That’s not saying that you can’t protest the shooting.  It is your first amendment right to protest, so long as you do so peacefully, and MOST of the protesters are.  Those who are rioting, looting, destroying property, and threatening lives are inexcusable.  Being angry is not an excuse to victimize people who’ve done you no wrong.

On the police side, the use of force, even if is less lethal, against peaceful protesters is equally inexcusable.  I have no problem with law enforcement having the gear they need to combat modern criminals, and body armor to help make sure they come home safely each day, but there is a time and place for such things, and deploying such gear in a peaceful protest is far too extreme, and attacking protesters is even worse, and threatening reporters trying to learn the truth is outright villainous.  I really see no justification for going this far.  This is corruption and authoritarianism at work, and is only serving to escalate the situation rather than resolve it.

In the end I still have no opinion other than that both sides need to chill the hell out, and stop resorting to violence before the case is even reviewed.

In any event, this is a gun blog, so unless gun rights get mixed into this affair, I won’t be talking about it any further.

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Don’t Let Bloomberg Sneak a Gun Ban into Washington State

http://www.ammoland.com/2014/08/uncovered-washington-state-giant-gun-control-scam-in-the-name-of-background-checks/

The text of the poll is an outright lie.  Follow the link and you’ll see the actual content of the proposed law.  I’m pretty sure this crap is illegal, or if not, it really should be.

If you live in Washington or know someone who does, spread the word and vote no.

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Reblogged from motodrachen  35,220 notes

motodrachen:

basedheisenberg:

'2nd Amendment Worshipers' show up to Bundy Ranch:

"OMG LOOK AT THESE RACIST TEABAGGER GUN NUT TERRORISTS POINTING GUNS AT THE POLICE THEY SHOULD BE KILLED WITH DRONES. THE POLICE AREN’T BEING OPPRESSIVE STOP BEING RETARDED"

'2nd Amendment Worshipers' don't show up to Ferguson:

"OMG LOOK WHY DON’T THOSE RACIST TEABAGGER GUN NUT TERRORISTS SHOW UP TO DEFEND PEOPLE IN FERGUSON FROM THE OPPRESSIVE POLICE? FIGURES, FUCKING RACISTS."

Ferguson locals arm themselves and stand outside of stores with rifles to protect them from looters:

"Well, if you’re going to instigate the cops, they’re gonna tear gas you, it’s that simple. Stop resisting and you’ll be fine."

I seriously had a ‘Conservative’ co-worker tell me today that ‘everything would be fine if Those People just went home’

I didn’t really know what to say.  

You can’t really make a liberal happy, no matter what you do.

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Watch What Happens When 5 Anti-Gun Liberals Are Brought to the GUN Range

madworldnews:

Watch What Happens When 5 Anti-Gun Liberals Are Brought to the GUN Range

Watch What Happens When 5 Anti-Gun Liberals Are Brought to the GUN Range

Many pro-gun advocates believe that if only we were able to get an anti-gunner to the gun range that just maybe we could get them to see why we love our firearms so dearly. The video below shows the reaction when five anti-gun liberals are brought to the gun range for the first time, and you’ll likely laugh at the results.

Buzzfeeddid us all the favor of taking them to the Los Angeles Gun Club…

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The seeds of doubt in their previous anti-gun ideals have been planted.  Invite a liberal to go shooting with you.  You may not change their mind right away, but it moves guns from being this distant, scary, and foreign concept, to an experience they have a basis of comparison to, and that understanding can do a lot to humanize gun owners in their eyes, as well as help them to see the appeal of gun ownership.

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Reblogged from liberallogic101  288,478 notes

Reblog if you want your followers to ask you random questions.  

Reblog if you want your followers to ask you random questions.  

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blueisacolour:

teen-for-lyfe:

captain-kimber:

mouss-e:



somepinkfluffy-dinosaur:
‎”THROUGH A RAPIST’S EYES” (PLS TAKE TIME TO READ THIS. it may save a life.) Reblog this!
  It seems that alot of attackers use some tactic to get away with violence. Not many people know how to take care of themselves when faced with such asituation. Everyone should read this especially each n every girl in this world. THOUGHT THIS WAS GOOD INFO TO PASS ALONG…FYI - Through a rapist’s eyes! A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts:1] The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle.They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun! , braid, or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed. They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair. Women with short hair are not common targets.2] The second thing men look for is clothing. They will look for women who’s clothing is easy to remove quickly. Many of them carry scissors around to cut clothing.3] They also look for women using their cell phone, searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered.4] The number one place women are abducted from / attacked at is grocery store parking lots.5] Number two is office parking lots/garages.6] Number three is public restrooms.7] The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and quickly move her to a second location where they don’t have to worry about getting caught.8] If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn’t worth it because it will be time-consuming.9] These men said they would not pick on women who have umbrellas,or other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands.10] Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince these guys you’re not worth it.———————————————————————————————————————————-POINTS THAT WE SHOULD REMEMBER:1] If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question, like what time is it, or make general small talk:can’t believe it is so cold out here, we’re in for a bad winter. Now that you’ve seen their faces and could identify them in a line- up, you lose appeal as a target.
 2] If someone is coming toward you, hold out your hands in front of you and yell Stop or Stay back! Most of the rapists this man talked to said they’d leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.3] If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate of it and carries it with him wherever he goes,) yelling I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY and holding it out will be a deterrent.4] If someone grabs you, you can’t beat them with strength but you can do it by outsmarting them. If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm between the elbow andarmpit or in the upper inner thigh - HARD. One woman in a class this guy taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape her and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle strands the guy needed stitches. Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it; it really hurts.5] After the initial hit, always go for the groin. I know from a particularly unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy’s parts it is extremely painful. You might think that you’ll anger the guy and make him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told ourinstructor is that they want a woman who will not cause him a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble, and he’s out of there.6] When the guy puts his hands up to you, grab his first two fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on them as possible. The instructor did it to me without usingmuch pressure, and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.7] Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your surroundings, take someone with you if you can and if you see any odd behavior, don’t dismiss it, go with your instincts. You may feellittle silly at the time, but you’d feel much worse if the guy really was trouble.——————————————————————————————————————————-FINALLY, PLEASE REMEMBER THESE AS WELL ….I know you are smart enough to know these pointers but there will be some, where you will go “hmm I must remember that” After reading forward it to someone you care about, never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in.1. Tip from Tae Kwon Do: The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do it.2. Learned this from a tourist guide to New Orleans : if a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you…. chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/orpurse than you and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car: Kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The driver won’t see you but everybody else will. This has saved lives.4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping,eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list, etc. DON’T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side,put a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU CLOSE the DOORS , LEAVE. 
5. A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage:a. Be aware: look around your car as someone may behiding at the passenger side , peek into your car, inside the passenger side floor, and in the back seat. ( DO THIS TOO BEFORE RIDING A TAXI CAB) .b. If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.c. Look at the car parked on the driver’s side of your vehicle, and the passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid than dead.) 
6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot).7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS RUN! The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times; And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN!8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP IT! It may get you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked “for help” into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.  
Send this to any woman you know that may need to be reminded that the world we live in has a lot of crazies in it and it’s better safe than sorry.




DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT REBLOGGING THIS! IT COULD ACTUALLY SAVE A LIFE.

I’ve taken personal defense courses and have not heard some of these. Seriously, this is worth your time.

sorry guys, I have to reblog this, it could actually save a life or help someone <3

I am so fucking angry that it is necessary to reblog this.

These are all very good tips for self defense.  They all boil down to 1.  Be aware of your surroundings, and don’t look like an easy target.  2. Always fight back.  Weapon, bare hands, tooth and nail, whatever it takes, meet force with more force.  Violence isn’t something to shy away from here, it’s a tool for you to use, and in this case the best tool for the job.  Never submit, never surrender, fight.

blueisacolour:

teen-for-lyfe:

captain-kimber:

mouss-e:

somepinkfluffy-dinosaur:

‎”THROUGH A RAPIST’S EYES” (PLS TAKE TIME TO READ THIS. it may save a life.) Reblog this!

  
It seems that alot of attackers use some tactic to get away with violence. Not many people know how to take care of themselves when faced with such a
situation. Everyone should read this especially each n every girl in this world. THOUGHT THIS WAS GOOD INFO TO PASS ALONG…

FYI - Through a rapist’s eyes! A group of rapists and date rapists in prison were interviewed on what they look for in a potential victim and here are some interesting facts:



1] The first thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle.
They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun! , braid, or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed. They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair. Women with short hair are not common targets.

2] The second thing men look for is clothing. They will look for women who’s clothing is easy to remove quickly. Many of them carry scissors around to cut clothing.

3] They also look for women using their cell phone, searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered.

4] The number one place women are abducted from / attacked at is grocery store parking lots.

5] Number two is office parking lots/garages.

6] Number three is public restrooms.

7] The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and quickly move her to a second location where they don’t have to worry about getting caught.

8] If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn’t worth it because it will be time-consuming.

9] These men said they would not pick on women who have umbrellas,or other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands.

10] Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to use them as a weapon. So, the idea is to convince these guys you’re not worth it.

———————————————————————————————————————————-

POINTS THAT WE SHOULD REMEMBER:


1] If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question, like what time is it, or make general small talk:
can’t believe it is so cold out here, we’re in for a bad winter. Now that you’ve seen their faces and could identify them in a line- up, you lose appeal as a target.

 
2] If someone is coming toward you, hold out your hands in front of you and yell Stop or Stay back! Most of the rapists this man talked to said they’d leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would 
not be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.

3] If you carry pepper spray (this instructor was a huge advocate of it and carries it with him wherever he goes,) yelling I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY and holding it out will be a deterrent.

4] If someone grabs you, you can’t beat them with strength but you can do it by outsmarting them. If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm between the elbow and
armpit or in the upper inner thigh - HARD. One woman in a class this guy taught told him she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape her and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle strands the guy needed stitches. Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it; it really hurts.

5] After the initial hit, always go for the groin. I know from a particularly unfortunate experience that if you slap a guy’s parts it is extremely painful. You might think that you’ll anger the guy and make him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told our
instructor is that they want a woman who will not cause him a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble, and he’s out of there.

6] When the guy puts his hands up to you, grab his first two fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on them as possible. The instructor did it to me without using
much pressure, and I ended up on my knees and both knuckles cracked audibly.

7] Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your surroundings, take someone with you if you can and if you see any odd behavior, don’t dismiss it, go with your instincts. You may feel
little silly at the time, but you’d feel much worse if the guy really was trouble.

——————————————————————————————————————————-

FINALLY, PLEASE REMEMBER THESE AS WELL ….

I know you are smart enough to know these pointers but there will be some, where you will go “hmm I must remember that” After reading forward it to someone you care about, never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in.


1. Tip from Tae Kwon Do: The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do it.

2. Learned this from a tourist guide to New Orleans : if a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you…. chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or
purse than you and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!

3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car: Kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The driver won’t see you but everybody else will. This has saved lives.

4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping,eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their checkbook, or making a list, etc. DON’T DO THIS! The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side,put a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU CLOSE the DOORS , LEAVE.
 

5. A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage:
a. Be aware: look around your car as someone may be
hiding at the passenger side , peek into your car, inside the passenger side floor, and in the back seat. ( DO THIS TOO BEFORE RIDING A TAXI CAB) .
b. If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars.
c. Look at the car parked on the driver’s side of your vehicle, and the passenger side. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid than dead.)
 

6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot).

7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS RUN! The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times; And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN!

8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP IT! It may get you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked “for help” into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim.
  

Send this to any woman you know that may need to be reminded that the world we live in has a lot of crazies in it and it’s better safe than sorry.

DON’T EVEN THINK ABOUT NOT REBLOGGING THIS! IT COULD ACTUALLY SAVE A LIFE.

I’ve taken personal defense courses and have not heard some of these. Seriously, this is worth your time.

sorry guys, I have to reblog this, it could actually save a life or help someone <3

I am so fucking angry that it is necessary to reblog this.

These are all very good tips for self defense.  They all boil down to 1.  Be aware of your surroundings, and don’t look like an easy target.  2. Always fight back.  Weapon, bare hands, tooth and nail, whatever it takes, meet force with more force.  Violence isn’t something to shy away from here, it’s a tool for you to use, and in this case the best tool for the job.  Never submit, never surrender, fight.

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Reblogged from extendedmagazine  373 notes
cerebralzero:

gunsdaily:

@stevenrich:  “Saiga 12 sbr. #saiga #sbr #guns #gunporn #gunsdaily #guncontrol #guncollector #shotguns #12g #ak #weaponsdaily #sickguns #sickgunsallday #2a #dtom #gunspictures #igmilitia

&gt;SBR
&gt;Shotgun
Do you even gun laws bro?

Am I just looking at it wrong, or is that Saiga actually fitted with a gas block designed to look like a second barrel?

cerebralzero:

gunsdaily:

@stevenrich:
“Saiga 12 sbr. #saiga #sbr #guns #gunporn #gunsdaily #guncontrol #guncollector #shotguns #12g #ak #weaponsdaily #sickguns #sickgunsallday #2a #dtom #gunspictures #igmilitia

>SBR

>Shotgun

Do you even gun laws bro?

Am I just looking at it wrong, or is that Saiga actually fitted with a gas block designed to look like a second barrel?

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MAIG Mayor Arrested for Bribery

http://freebeacon.com/issues/mayors-against-illegal-guns-mayor-charged-with-bribery/

Mayor of Montecelo NY and member of Bloomberg’s MAIG group, Gordon Jenkins was arrested and charged on bribery after being caught red handed taking a bribe from an FBI informant. This is hardly his first instance of being caught up to no good either. 

HA! Yet again Bloomberg’s lackeys show their true colors as nothing but a pack of criminals.  In fact there’s a long string of crimes committed by Bloomberg’s lackeys.  From the article:

Spring Valley, N.Y., Mayor Noramie Jasmin (D.) was arrested in April for allegedly accepting bribes from an FBI informant. In March, Gainesville, Fla., Mayor Craig Lowe was charged with a DUI after police found him asleep at the scene of a car accident.

Marcus Hook, Pa., Mayor James Schiliro was arrested for reckless endangerment after allegedly firing a handgun inside his home during a drunken argument with a 20-year-old man.

Other current and former MAIG members have been charged with felony corruptionassault of a police officer, and child sex crimes.

So how long until we just officially declare MAIG a gang and lock up the lot of them?

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